KJV Only

GotQuestions.org is a wonderful resource. The brother who runs the site attempts to answer people's questions about the faith and usually does a great job. Each week, he answers a new question. 

I unfortunately take issue with the a question answered some time ago. This one was on King James Only-ism. Some statements made are either logically weak, unsound, or just plain wrong.

So here's the statements which which I have problem:

GotQuestions Point One

1.  The KJV Only movement claims its loyalty to be to the Textus Receptus, a Greek New Testament manuscript compilation completed in the 1500s. To varying degrees, KJV Only advocates argue that God guided Erasmus (the compiler of the Textus Receptus) to come up with a Greek text that is perfectly identical to what was originally written by the biblical authors

 Uh, no.  Talk about missing the boat!  The Textus Receptus is also known as the "Majority Text."  It is called thus because the majority of the existent copies (like 95% of them) read the same.  It is not about picking a collection of manuscripts to venerate!  Erasmus doesn't even enter into the discussion.

Until the late 1800's, there wasn't much debate as to which manuscripts to use.  If 95% of the 5,000+ manuscripts supported one reading, that was the reading that was used.

Then two fellows named Wescott and Hort decided that the 95% wasn't good enough.  They were convinced that all manuscripts were corrupted, and that they had to become detectives in order to determine what the originals really said.  They came up with several guidelines for wading through all copies and piecing together a version that they felt was closest to the original readings.  Their guidelines were as follows:

1. Older is better.
2. Shorter is better.
3. More confusing is better

The truth is that there never was a manuscript that read like modern versions.  They were constructed out of whole-cloth from various manuscripts like a patch-work quilt.  There are, however, two manuscripts which modern translators hold with deep veneration.  They are the Sinaiticus and the Vaticanus.  Both are old and both are corrupt.

The old lie is that since these manuscripts where found after the KJV translators did their work, their readings couldn't be considered and thus the KJV is less accurate.  While the manuscripts were discovered after the KJV translation in 1611, the readings contained therein were available and discounted.

GotQuestions Point Two

2.  Our loyalties are to the original manuscripts of the Old and New Testaments, written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Only the original languages are the Word of God as He inspired it.

Be loyal to the original manuscript?  What are they talking about?  This line is both illogical and dishonest.  The "original manuscripts" have turned to dust, along with the first copies of them.  All we have left are copies of copies. How can we be loyal to what doesn't exist?  We can't, and that's the point.

By that same logic, since only the original manuscripts were inspired, and since those manuscripts do not exist, then none of the Word of God today is inspired, and thus the logical conclusion is that the Word of God doesn't exist.

If they believed that the Word of God exists only in the original languages, then why support any translation?  Isn't that just encouraging people to replace the scriptures with a second-rate commentary?

Furthermore,  implied in their comment is the supposition that God, who was powerful enough to create the universe, took the time to inspire his word,  was somehow  too weak to preserve it.

GotQuestions Point Three

3.  The New Testament of the New King James Version is based on the Textus Receptus, just as the KJV is. Yet, KJV Only advocates label the NKJV just as heretical as they do the NIV, NAS, etc.

First, I've already discussed the Textus Receptus line above.  So what about the NKJV?  After all, it is only a updating of the obsolete language of the  KJV, right?  Plain and simple, the NKJV it is NOT an updating of language. It is a complete retranslation of the Textus Receptus, informed by the Wescott and Hort Greek.

Here are my problems with the New Kings James:

1. Despite the glowing praise of the accuracy of the KJV, the New Kings James translators felt the need to retranslate the Bible instead of just updating the existing translation.  If the translation was as accurate as they stated in the preface, then why bother?  Simple answer is that they must feel that the former translation was lacking somehow.  
2. The NKJV is markerted as an "updated"  KJV with the "thee's and thou's" and other archaic words replaced.  This is quite false.  Here are three examples with refute that proposition.  Note that none of these words are archaic, obsolete, or hard to understand.
1. John 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
   
   John 1:3 (NKJV) All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
2. Acts 17:22(KJV)  Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
   
   Acts 17:22(NKJV)  Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious;
3. 2 Cor 2:17 (KJV) For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
   
   2 Cor 2:17 (NKJV) For we are not, as so many,[a] peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.
   

These are but a few of the thousands of such changes in the NKJV.  Oh, and by the way, several of the translators of the NKJV worked on the NIV, and it shows.


I admit that I have read other versions. I am so familiar with the KJV that reading a different version can sometimes reveal something that's right there in the text that I've glossed a hundred times.  I read several, but I trust only one, and that's the King James. Why?


The King James is a literal translation.  
This means that the translators translated word for word, as closely as they could to the original. Most, if not all, modern translations are dynamic translations (meaning 'thought for thought'). While this results in an easier-to-read text, I find it the highest form of arrogance for the translators to assume that they can possibly know the mind of God with enough clarity to do a 'thought per thought' translation. All this means is that the text is being filtered through the fallible translators mind.


The King James translation is an honest translation.
The translators made it plain whenever the translators added words (which the modern versions don't even attempt.) Even the sentence structure of the original languages wormed its way into the English translation. The goal of the translators was to convey the Word of God from source languages to English, and they did so with a careful hand, full of respect for the Word of God.

The King James is translated from a reliable source.
The modern versions are based upon different source material. Some opponents would have you to believe that there is only one original manuscript in the original languages. In all actuality, there are several families of manuscripts. The newer versions are based upon, what I believe, are less pure manuscripts than the King James. The same readings were available to the translators in 1611, and rejected.


The King James translators believed in God's Word.
Most newer translations rely upon the work of textual criticism, which is itself predicated on the fact that God's Word (His true Word) cannot be known. The logic is that since God's Word was only perfect and inspired in the original manuscript, and such manuscripts are now dust, then everything is a matter of opinion. The King James translators believed they had the very words of God in their hands and acted accordingly.

What if I'm wrong?

What if I am wrong and my atheist friends are right that there is no God?

• I would have lived my life helping others because my fictional god demanded it. 
• My behavior would have been bound to an old book of fiction, which sets impossibly high goals of goodness, and I would spend my life trying to live better because of it.
• I would have forgave others because my fictional god demanded it.
• I would have stuck with my wife when times got bad, because my fictional god demanded it. 
• I would have been comforted at the passing of my loved ones because I believed that there was hope beyond the grave.
• I would have lived a life of purpose and meaning, due to my faith in my fictional god.
• I never would feel alone, because I believed my fictional god was with me.
• I never could feel hopeless, because my fictional god was my hope.
• I was part of a group of people who accepted me as a brother and loved me because our mutual faith in that fictional god.
• I would have developed closer personal relationships with people I would have otherwise never met or interacted with, all because our mutual faith in a fictional god.
• I would face my death without fear, knowing I'd close my eyes in death and see the face of my redeemer.
• And if I were wrong, I WOULD NEVER KNOW.  As my last breath would escape my body, and the blackness would envelope me and I would simply cease to exist, all while believing with all my heart I'd see my loved ones and savior on the other side.  

So even if I'm wrong, my life is richer, my community better, and my relationships are stronger.  I face the unknown with certainty and hope.  My life has structure and meaning.  Where's the downside?

But, if I am right and you, dear atheist friend, are wrong and there is a God, then

• While you pride yourself in your wisdom, if there is a god, your wisdom is for naught.  The very basis of all of your logic is flawed.  All the deductions you have built your life on  is also flawed. 
• Your brilliant deductions based on the assumption we're nothing more than animals has hurt more people than you can imagine.
• You spent your life fighting against the Almighty Judge, and will be judged according to your works and found guilty.
• Your absolute certainty that you were so much smarter than us dumb Christians proved to be a fatal mistake.  As you lift up your eyes in Hell, and you will KNOW YOU WERE WRONG, and will spend an eternity with that knowledge.
• For an eternity, you will reflect on how that you wasted your life on things that do not matter.
• For an eternity, you will realize that many of the others who you encouraged to abandon any belief in a saving god are condemned to eternal torment just as you are.

Cold fire

I saw an old campfire in the woods. Its coals were cold and dead. Next to it was a nice stack of firewood. It struck me that this is a picture of a lot of churches today.

Everything they need is right there.   They have the people,  the building,  the program and the God, but they're dead and cold.  Their coals are extinguished and their spark has died long ago.   Without that spark,  the church us useless,  just like that dead fire.  Oh Lord, I pray, let me not lose my spark!

A shaman's Tale

I recently discovered podiobooks.com, an online repository of free audio books distributed as a podcast form.  One series I've followed was the Quarter Share series by Nathan Lowell.  

They are very well done, and I've enjoyed them greatly (except for the last book, sorry Nathan.  I just don't like how it ended.)

In one of the stories, South Coast, the main character is a Shaman.  I noticed that the belief system was similar to the world's spirituality.  

1.  While there is a belief in the supernatural, there is no specific belief in a personal god.

2.  The supernatural force is a helper, but otherwise makes little to no demands of humanity.

3.  The supernatural force, if interested in morality at all, is only interested in gross misconduct.  Murder, rape, etc.

4.  The supernatural force must be accessed through special rituals preformed by special people.

Mankind always creates gods for himself.  In the Old Testament days they did it with physical idols.  Nowadays, we make up gods to suite ourselves by saying "to me, god is like..."


While 90% of American believes in a god, they don't believe in THE GOD, the God who has revealed Himself to man through the Bible.

Liberalism True Nature

Normally, I blog politics elsewhere but I decided to do a simul-post to both because this topic spans both faith and politics.

Liberalism today preaches that all faiths are equally valid. Basically, it's a "all roads lead to Rome" approach. Christian, Buddhist, or worshipers of coffee grounds are all viewed as equally 'right' to the liberals.

To quote Oprah Winfrey,

"One of the mistakes that human beings make is that there is only one way to live, and that we don't accept that there are diverse ways of being in the world and there are millions of ways to be a human being and many paths to what you call God. That her path might be something else and when she gets there she might call it the light."

Or how about this quote from http://www.manypathshome.com/

The core of interspirituality is the understanding that there are many paths with heart, many ways to be in relationship with something greater, and that truth is not confined to any one path ...

Some call this God or Goddess, some Spirit, Nature, Source, the Divine, the Numinous, Great Mystery, the Self. What we call That is not important to me; what is important is that you find your inner connection to this sustaining energy, and that it bear fruit in your life.
Some call this God or Goddess, some Spirit, Nature, Source, the Divine, the Numinous, Great Mystery, the Self. What we call That is not important to me; what is important is that you find your inner connection to this sustaining energy, and that it bear fruit in your life.
Rev. Sharon Gervasoni

This is basically "all religions are true", and it is mind-numbingly stupid. Let's logically look at the statement and see why it is so.

One of the three basic laws of logic (or, if you prefer, rational thought) is the law of non-contradiction. Stated basically, something cannot be and not be at the same time. A fact cannot be both true and false.

Christianity states man is a sinner, and is going to Hell unless he repents and follows Christ.

Eastern religion states that man's individuality is nothing but an illusion, and that when he understands (i.e. reach enlightenment) he will realize the illusion and cease to be.

Oprah thinks we are all gods.

Non-contradiction clearly shows that one is wrong.

Changing Churches

There are times that the moving of God breaks hearts. Thus it was with us when God moved us from our home church. I started writing this post many months ago, but never finished it.

We attended Victory Baptist for almost ten years.  We started going when Rebecca was pregnant with Laura.  We had been out of church for awhile.

I had not been I getting anything out of Rebecca's parent's church (a rather large community church), although it is a good church with good people.  Rebecca didn't feel welcome in my old church (plus it was too far to drive every Sunday.)

We started on a Sunday morning, and didn't stop.  We became part of the church family.  The church ladies threw Rebecca her baby shower. We fell in love with the people, and God move in our hearts. 

It started when my cousin invited us to his church's revival.  We enjoyed Capitol City Baptist a good bit.  The pastor of the church had taught me in Sunday School teacher when I was a teenager.   We started to attend Bible study on Thursday nights.

It was fun, refreshing, and spirit filled. We were drawn closer to this body of believers.We were very faithful to Thursday nights.

Then we went to a camp meeting the church held.  God touched my heart and had me surrender parts of me I've held back for years. God rekindled a fire that had long laid dormant in my heart, something I feared I never would have again.


That fall, we put our daughter in the church's school. Even though we were involved with both churches, I knew where God wanted me, and didn't waver. My rekindled fire was used of God at my church, and things started to progress.


I had much responsibility in my church. I lead Children's Church. I lead the youth. I played bass guitar. I did the web site. I taught Sunday School. 

Over the course of a year or so, God started removing things from me.  One at a time, slowly, he took them away.  First, the bass playing went when our piano player left. Then another lady took over my Sunday School class. Then a fellow at church wanted to take over the web page.

Isn't it funny how we don't see the hand of God except in the rear view mirror!  I don't think I could have left if all of this was still on me!



Then about November,  the progress fizzled. From our perspective, God's forward movement stopped. The services became dry and the contrast between Victory and Capitol City became very vibrant.


Abraham's heart must of been torn in two when he was told by God to sacrifice his son of promise. The boy was an answered prayer, and his birth was a miracle by anyone's standards, and in him the promise of God to Abraham was confirmed.

Yet, it was only when Abraham gave God the very thing  he loved the most that Abraham could be what God wanted him to be.  We can't serve God holding ourselves back from God.

My wife knew first.  She told me she felt God moving us on.  I resisted.  I still had the youth ministries, and couldn't even imagine leaving.  But the draw of God became urgent.

I wanted to make sure that we were doing God's will.We earnestly sought God's will.  We even went so far as to lay out the fleece.

In the book of Judges, we are told of a young man who God told to lead an army against invaders.  Lacking confidence, he asked God to confirm His will with a physical act of His power. 

Our prayer was "God, if you wish us to stay at Victory, move in the service during youth Sunday."  Such a simple request..

The Sunday before the meeting, there came a huge snow storm.  Power was knocked out, and church was canceled.  Since this happened to be the night the Christmas play and Cantata were supposed to be performed, the leadership canceled youth Sunday and moved the play and Cantata in its place.

Not only did God not move in the youth service, he prevented the service from being held just to remove any doubts.  We had our answer.

I spent several days trying to find the right 'protocol'. How do you leave a church in the right way?

Most people leave a church when they just get upset over something, and leave.  Their example I did not want to follow.

I also didn't want to be a hindrance to the church, nor did I want people to be upset.  After prayer and much reading, I decided that we just needed to leave.  We gave no speeches.  We tried to draw as little attention to ourselves as we could.  We provided no unsolicited explanations to friends. We just left.

It was with a heavy heart that I wrote a letter to the pastor, telling him we were leaving. Then, we left.  I dropped off the letter and my keys, and that was that.  One Sunday Victory.  The next, Capitol City.. 

Since that day, my heart still aches at times for my old church.  They have had a very hard year.  Within weeks of our leaving, storms overtook the church.  They've lost most of their attendance, and their pastor.  I am so grateful that I listened to the Word of the Lord and left when we did, before any of the problems.  The church is in my prayers regularly. 

We are, however, where God wants us.  God has moved me into new ministries.  I still play the bass. I help in Children's Church.  I am working in the bus ministry.  I've even preached a few times.

and that's why

My wife and daughter wonder why I refuse to allow the Discover and History channel's Bible related programs to be watched in our home.

The main reason is that they are nothing more that hit pieces against God. They are full of misrepresentations, mistakes, and outright lies.

Doubt me? Case in point is History Channel's "Banned from the Bible", where the talk about non-canonical pseudo scripture.

They pondered 'deep problems' with the literal reading of Genesis, especially about 'where Cain got his wife'.

They had professors of religion scratching their heads going "I don't know..."

I did a Google search, and found 11.8 million pages telling them the answer. In a nutshell, Cain's wife was his sister (or niece, but you get the picture.)  If the professors interviewed were being honest, then they are morons who can't read.

Genesis 5:4-5 "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died"

If I, a non-scholar, know this why then did these 'experts' fail to know of it?

Simple, they're lying. They're attempting to portray the Word of God as unreliable and undependable. They are trying to point out that you can't really believe what it says.

Assuming that Eve was created sexually mature and that she lived as long as her husband (930 years), and that she and Adam's procreative proclivities were similar to today's couples, I would assume that she had between 100 to 800 or so children.

Half of those boys, the other half girls.

Is that outlandish? Consider that a Russian woman, Mrs. Vassilet , gave natural birth to sixty nine children without the use of fertility aids. The children were born between 1725-1765, a produce of 27 pregnancies (16 set of twins, seven sets of triplets, and four sets of quadruplets).

How much more could Eve had done, considering she had several hundred more years?